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Post by Admin on Sept 29, 2017 14:43:50 GMT
so we've been mucking around for some time now, some of us unsatesfied with the zelda scrypt, some of us not sure what exactly we should do now, here's a quick poll to decide what our first episode's subject should be!
first of all you should know that you can vote 3 times, also be sure to vote as soon as posible so we can get thing gowing.
you should also give this a good think - read all the episode suggestions, go to the forums and check out what each idea has to offer and what discussion has been had, don't be to brash.
feel free to start a discussion on why you think our first episode should be whatever you think it should.
that'll be all, may the odds be ever in your favour!
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ngnius
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Post by ngnius on Sept 29, 2017 15:30:33 GMT
Umm... we're doing the Zelda script. That's been decided, and can't be changed, since it's scheduled to be recorded in exactly 6 hours.
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Post by pfbourassa on Sept 29, 2017 17:43:21 GMT
Admin, are you on the discord server?
We are currently nominating the second episode contenders.
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14flash
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Post by 14flash on Sept 30, 2017 2:50:14 GMT
We can treat this as electing the topic of the second episode in the meantime. I would also suggest that in the future we do this as an instant runoff voting style if at all possible.
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Post by heresanidea on Sept 30, 2017 16:13:46 GMT
I thought admin was just an account which we used!
Are you aviviv? I didn't see you in discord!
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Post by pfbourassa on Oct 2, 2017 14:04:42 GMT
We can treat this as electing the topic of the second episode in the meantime. I would also suggest that in the future we do this as an instant runoff voting style if at all possible. I like this, how can we track the order of preference? |
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Post by heresanidea on Oct 2, 2017 14:25:58 GMT
Right now it's a binary choice- you gotta divide your preferences in those you wanna do and those you don't wanna. And like if you want to do two idea but the one you like more ties in votes with the second one, you just don't vote for the second one.
I mean it sounds complicated but the way the forum vote works I guess people are kinda doing this already anyway?
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14flash
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Post by 14flash on Oct 3, 2017 3:33:46 GMT
You have just discovered most of what's wrong with American democracy. We can treat this as electing the topic of the second episode in the meantime. I would also suggest that in the future we do this as an instant runoff voting style if at all possible. I like this, how can we track the order of preference? For a simple, accountable way of doing this, we could have users post there top 3 in order and count them the old-fashioned way. If we care about privacy we could set up a special account which people would PM with their votes and then have a program set up which counts the votes and outputs the results for us (but this has problems in simplicity and accountability). |
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Post by heresanidea on Oct 3, 2017 7:16:06 GMT
I don't really think the way of voting is that big of a problem right now, I'm fine with the current system.
(I would prefer a system where every voter gets number of chips equal to number of options and then they place as many chips as they want in the tube for each option, that captures 'how much' you want something to win too.. and then the whole thing is transparent so you know who's winning and can try to change the result. Don't know why this isn't the most popular way of voting.. infrastructure issues I guess.. although rich countries should be able to afford a simple software like that and more.. Like for elections the candidates can enter different aspects of their policy and you can then vote for those policy and if it turns out there's no majority then the winning candidate has choice to adopt the winning policies whether they're theirs or not (as long as they don't contradict the policies for which they won)
And I'll stop now)
I think the more important points right now are:
1. the idea prompts are scattered all over the place. We need to get them listed. This is easy to resolve.
2. the ideas aren't very clear by their current titles, we need to get more honest titles like "something about capitalism, we don't know what yet" or like.. at better if we get the exact tease line.
3. we need to post on the voting thread on the most visible and public platform, which right now is the YouTube episode itself and the subreddit.
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14flash
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Post by 14flash on Oct 4, 2017 2:50:36 GMT
2. the ideas aren't very clear by their current titles, we need to get more honest titles like "something about capitalism, we don't know what yet" or like.. at better if we get the exact tease line. Right now, I don't think any of the ideas have had the requisite discussion to make outlines or taglines. Ideally, voters should educate themselves on the current state of discussion for each topic instead of voting based on which has the catchiest title (which is an optimistic view, but one I'll hold of this community until proven otherwise). We aren't planning on closing voting until after the first episode is released, but there's no reason we can't vote early. The problem is exactly what you mentioned in your earlier post. People are encouraged to vote against an idea they don't want rather than for an idea they want. I don't think chips would fix this, as it would penalize you for not using all of your chips on the most likely candidate. You could put a few of your chips in other ideas, but then you're essentially giving free votes to the guy who put all their chips in the idea you didn't want. Voting on policies instead of candidates is a whole other bucket of worms. Most issues that a person will face during their time in office would have nothing to do with one of the few policies that people would vote on (also, how do you chose which policies get voted on? And what are the options for voting?). Also, I think any politician would be capable of spinning their vote to sound like it matched the voted policy even if it was totally off. |
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Post by macecurb on Oct 4, 2017 4:26:45 GMT
Hoo boy.
If I may jump into this on a slightly tangential topic: Specifics on the public poll for the second episode. I think (hope?) we've mostly agreed that we'll be doing a public poll for that, so on that assumption...
I think a forced ranking of 3 (assuming we have 5 total nominations, adjust otherwise) options might be a reasonable solution. I'm not at my best as of posting but I'm fairly sure there's some very handy math that would give us a clear view of voter preferences in such a scenario.
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Post by heresanidea on Oct 4, 2017 5:48:09 GMT
We can't expect voters to be acquainted with the ideas can we?
Are we limiting votes to mostly contributers?
I think that's kinda right actually.
We are community driven but not necessarily community catering right?
The purpose of the vote is to select a topic which the most contributors are comfortable working on, not necessarily what most people (who may or may not contribute) would like to see.
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Post by macecurb on Oct 4, 2017 23:06:34 GMT
I don't think "community catering" and "community driven" is really a meaningful distinction to make, nor do I think it's something we should be using to define ourselves or our approaches to things.
Pointless nitpicky semantics disagreements aside, I'd personally prefer to stick to a public poll. My reasoning for that being that if we've already nominated a topic internally, I'm willing to take it on faith that we're already reasonably comfortable with it.
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